Legislature(2013 - 2014)HOUSE FINANCE 519

02/26/2014 01:30 PM House FINANCE


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HOUSE BILL NO. 234                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act extending the termination date of the                                                                              
     Regulatory Commission of Alaska; and providing for an                                                                      
     effective date."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:41:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MIKE  HAWKER,  SPONSOR,  presented  HB  234,                                                                    
which  extended  the  termination  date  of  the  Regulatory                                                                    
Commission  of  Alaska (RCA).  He  explained  that the  bill                                                                    
extended the  Regulatory Commission  of Alaska for  a period                                                                    
of  eight  years, which  was  allowable  under statute.  The                                                                    
request  was consistent  with  recommendations  made by  the                                                                    
state  auditor. He  noted  that  the auditor's  requirements                                                                    
were to determine a public  need for the continued existence                                                                    
of the  commission and whether  it operated in  an efficient                                                                    
and   effective  manner.   The  auditors   found  that   the                                                                    
commission met all of the  requirements of the extension. He                                                                    
pointed  out  that  issues  existed in  the  past  but  were                                                                    
resolved.  He stressed  the  difference  between the  public                                                                    
disagreeing  with   a  ruling   from  the  RCA   versus  the                                                                    
functionality  of the  commission.  He  reiterated that  the                                                                    
audit demonstrated that the  commission was functioning well                                                                    
and in accordance with statute.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker  pointed  to the  appendices  of  the                                                                    
audit (copy  on file) on  pages 23  to 30. He  detailed that                                                                    
the  audit appendices  were a  survey  of the  users of  the                                                                    
agencies. The  surveys showed how the  agencies were serving                                                                    
its  stake  holders  and  were   an  integral  part  of  the                                                                    
reauthorization  audits. He  understood that  the Regulatory                                                                    
Commission of Alaska was  often disliked because individuals                                                                    
disagreed  with its  rulings. He  noted that  the appendices                                                                    
and details in the summary on  page 18 of the audit reported                                                                    
favorable comments and statistics  in their ratings. As many                                                                    
as 70  percent of the respondents  gave a good or  very good                                                                    
rating for the RCA, with  only 8 percent issuing unfavorable                                                                    
ratings.  He   thought  that  the  70   percent  rating  was                                                                    
remarkable   considering    that   the   RCA    dealt   with                                                                    
controversial issues.  He referenced Appendix C,  page 31 of                                                                    
the audit,  which indicated that  "the current  structure of                                                                    
regulatory  cost charges  were sufficient  and adequate  for                                                                    
the  organization  to  function."  He  emphasized  that  the                                                                    
commission  was  operating "in  the  black"  in addition  to                                                                    
meeting  its statutory  obligations  for quality  regulation                                                                    
and protection of the public welfare.                                                                                           
Representative Hawker discussed the  two issues noted in the                                                                    
audit. Item  one was a  perennial issue that  indicated that                                                                    
the commission  needed to undertake better  documentation of                                                                    
its review  process. He pointed  out that  the documentation                                                                    
process was  an internal process  within the agency  and was                                                                    
different than issues about the  outcome of the commission's                                                                    
regulatory  process. The  issue was  a matter  of "improving                                                                    
its paperwork handling." He  read the recommendation, "RCA's                                                                    
chair  should  improve  and enforce  written  procedures  to                                                                    
ensure   case   management."    He   summarized   that   the                                                                    
recommendation was not a criticism  of the commission's work                                                                    
performance or regulatory activities.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  discussed the  second recommendations                                                                    
which dealt  with regulatory dockets. He  defined regulatory                                                                    
dockets as  "having a question  asked and answered"  as part                                                                    
of  the   regulatory  process.  He  read   from  the  Second                                                                    
recommendation: "The legislature  should consider clarifying                                                                    
AS 42.05.175(e)  to ensure  RCA fulfills  legislative intent                                                                    
when processing regulatory dockets."  He maintained that the                                                                    
RCA  believed it  was  in compliance  with  the statute  and                                                                    
thought the issue  was "a management debate."  He alluded to                                                                    
the historical  problems which lead  to the creation  of the                                                                    
Regulatory   Commission   of   Alaska  and   described   its                                                                    
beginnings as a "bumpy road."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:50:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker acknowledged  it was  a long  road to                                                                    
develop the commission into what  it was today. He asked the                                                                    
committee  to   consider  the  commission  as   it  operated                                                                    
currently and  asked the committee  to help the  RCA improve                                                                    
and address  the issues identified  in the audit.  He argued                                                                    
that  the agency  had  matured and  merited  the eight  year                                                                    
extension.  He  believed  that the  extension  enhanced  the                                                                    
stability  of  the agency  instead  of  operating under  the                                                                    
burden  of   uncertainty  under  one  year   extensions.  He                                                                    
strongly advocated  for setting the agency  free to function                                                                    
with trust for the next eight years.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Neuman  asked   about  the  smaller  independent                                                                    
companies  that operated  in the  Cook Inlet  region gaining                                                                    
access  to gaslines  and with  contractual obligations  with                                                                    
utility companies.  He wondered  whether some of  the issues                                                                    
were resolved.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  directed the question to  the RCA. He                                                                    
asked the  committee members to consider  the operations and                                                                    
functioning  of the  commission whether  or not  individuals                                                                    
agreed  or disagreed  with a  ruling of  the commission.  He                                                                    
added that  the approval of  long term gas  supply contracts                                                                    
in Cook Inlet had been problematic  for him in his role as a                                                                    
legislator. He  reminded the committee  that the  Cook Inlet                                                                    
Recovery  Act  [HB 280Natural   Gas: Storage/  Tax  Credits                                                                    
Adopted  2010]   removed  the   block  that   prevented  the                                                                    
commission from  approving long  term gas  supply contracts.                                                                    
The provision  mandated that the  RCA not only  consider the                                                                    
least  expensive  option,  but   examine  how  its  decision                                                                    
impacted the  community. The cited  statute was  included in                                                                    
many contract approvals  published by the RCA  since the law                                                                    
was enacted. He believed that  the commission played a large                                                                    
role in the  recent success of resource  development and gas                                                                    
supply in Cook Inlet.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  viewed the bill as  a non-controversial                                                                    
agency extension issue.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
KRIS  CURTIS,   LEGISLATIVE  AUDITOR,  ALASKA   DIVISION  OF                                                                    
LEGISLATIVE  AUDIT discussed  the  RCA  sunset audit,  dated                                                                    
July 2013.  She concurred  that Legislative  Audit concluded                                                                    
that the  RCA served  the public's interest  and recommended                                                                    
the  maximum  8  year  extension  allowed  in  statute.  She                                                                    
restated   the  two   audit  recommendations.   The  auditor                                                                    
discovered  high error  rates in  the commission's  data and                                                                    
recommended improvement. Secondly,  Legislative Audit made a                                                                    
recommendation to  the legislature  concerning clarification                                                                    
regarding  regulatory  dockets.   She  delineated  that  RCA                                                                    
recorded its activity in dockets.  Statutes required the RCA                                                                    
to issue  final orders  in a rule  making docket  within 730                                                                    
days  plus one  90  day extension.  Statutes prohibited  the                                                                    
commission from  "terminating a proceeding  in a  docket and                                                                    
opening a proceeding in another  docket on substantially the                                                                    
same matter."  The audit discovered instances  where the RCA                                                                    
split the rulemaking proceedings into two dockets:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
   · One docket considered the need for regulations. Once                                                                       
     public testimony was completed the docket was closed                                                                       
   · The second docket considered the adoption of                                                                               
     regulations. This process allowed the Regulatory                                                                           
     Commission of Alaska to take up to four and one half                                                                       
     years to complete proceedings.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Curtis   added  that  "RCA  management   believes  that                                                                    
including  clear intent  language in  a regulatory  docket's                                                                    
initiating order makes the  process transparent and complies                                                                    
with Alaska Statutes."   Legislative Audit acknowledged that                                                                    
the commissions  dockets included clear intent  language and                                                                    
was transparent in  that regard. She felt  that the practice                                                                    
evaded the statutory timelines and  it appeared not to serve                                                                    
the   regulatory  community   or   public's  interest.   The                                                                    
legislature  should  consider   clarifying  the  statute  to                                                                    
ensure  RCA  fulfills  legislative  intent  when  processing                                                                    
regulatory dockets.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:59:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TW  PATCH,   CHAIRMAN,  REGULATORY  COMMISSION   OF  ALASKA,                                                                    
thanked the sponsors for advancing  HB 234. He reported that                                                                    
he was  elected Chairman of  the commission for 3  terms. He                                                                    
felt that the  agency had earned the  legislator's trust and                                                                    
requested the extension of the  8 year statutory maximum. He                                                                    
appreciated  the   auditor  and   believed  the   audit  was                                                                    
"rigorous and  thorough." He believed the  commission earned                                                                    
the entire  8 year extension.  He understood the  reason for                                                                    
the  previously  shorter  extensions. He  relayed  that  the                                                                    
legislature requested a  report by the commission  on how to                                                                    
improve its  process. The  RCA filed  the report  on January                                                                    
16, 2012 which included its  goals and had complied with all                                                                    
of them. In addition, the RCA  filed a report on January 21,                                                                    
2014.  The report  detailed the  commission's completion  of                                                                    
four  regulations dockets  and how  it worked  cooperatively                                                                    
with parties to  early identify the complex  issues in order                                                                    
to  achieve   a  shorter  timeline  for   the  rulings.  The                                                                    
commission  continued  to   design  and  develop  regulatory                                                                    
practices  that  enabled  generally  shorter  timelines  but                                                                    
still allowed "compilation of a sound statistical record."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Patch continued  that the  initial report  demonstrated                                                                    
that  the  utility dockets  were  managed  according to  the                                                                    
statutorily  prescribed   timelines  and   completed  within                                                                    
approximately  450  days. He  reported  that  over the  last                                                                    
three  years  the  process  was  greatly  improved  and  the                                                                    
current year's  utility dockets were completed  in 311 days;                                                                    
a reduction of nearly six months.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze   asked  if  utility  dockets   were  rate                                                                    
adjustment dockets.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Patch  replied that  the  utility  docket was  when  "a                                                                    
revenue  requirement was  established or  a rate  design was                                                                    
established."  Utility  dockets  created  the  most  anxiety                                                                    
among the  commissions "constituency."  He related  that the                                                                    
regulated  utility companies  acknowledged that  the process                                                                    
was greatly  improved and appreciated. The  company's credit                                                                    
ratings  were  enhanced  by  the  shorter  timeframe,  which                                                                    
created faster  "regulatory and  rate of  return certainty."                                                                    
The RCA  improved its  process without  requested additional                                                                    
funding or staff, enabling  legislation, and without adverse                                                                    
impacts to industry or companies.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Patch  stated that the  improvements were aided  in part                                                                    
by the  Regulatory Affairs and  Public Advocacy  Sections of                                                                    
the  Department  of  Law  and   the  utility  companies.  He                                                                    
applauded  the administration's  commissioners  and the  RCA                                                                    
staff for  the majority of  the effort. In addition  the RCA                                                                    
routinely assisted the legislature  and other state agencies                                                                    
on  a  number  of   important  policy  matters.  Legislators                                                                    
regularly consulted  with the RCA on  legislation related to                                                                    
regulatory issues without addressing  the "substance" of the                                                                    
bills. He indicated that the  commission had consulted on HB
280 [Natural Gas:  Storage/ Tax Credits Adopted  2010], HB 4                                                                    
[Alaska Gasline  Development Corp; Regulatory  Commission of                                                                    
Alaska  Adopted 2013],  HB 9  [In-State Gasline  Development                                                                    
Corp 2012],  and was currently  consulting on SB  196/HB 340                                                                    
RCA: Railbelt Electric Utility Report.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Patch  listed the agencies the  Regulatory Commission of                                                                    
Alaska   routinely  assisted:   The  Alaska   Oil  and   Gas                                                                    
Conservation   Commission,   Department   of   Environmental                                                                    
Conservation  (DEC)  on   capacity  development  and  public                                                                    
health issues  and procured funding  from the  rural utility                                                                    
service; Department of Natural  Resources (DNR), Oil and Gas                                                                    
Division,  and  oversaw   the  state's  pipelines  regarding                                                                    
safety  conditions.  The  RCA assisted  the  AGDC  with  the                                                                    
development of its tariff.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Patch strongly disagreed  with the second recommendation                                                                    
of  the  audit  that  the  legislature  should  clarify  the                                                                    
timeline  statute. He  referenced  a letter  he wrote  dated                                                                    
September 4, 2013 stating the  reasons he disagreed with the                                                                    
finding.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:10:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Patch  cited   docket  R-10-002   from  a   regulatory                                                                    
proceeding,   and   recounted   that  the   subject   matter                                                                    
considered the need for  regulations involving discovery. In                                                                    
a subsequent  docket, the subject  matter was a  proposal of                                                                    
specific  discovery regulations.  He stressed  that the  RCA                                                                    
and Department  of Law (DOL)  considered the  subject matter                                                                    
"two  distinctly   different  questions."  He   assured  the                                                                    
committee   that  the   commission   had   not  evaded   the                                                                    
legislature's requirements. Both dockets  were resolved in a                                                                    
timely manner. He  explained that the RCA  had not developed                                                                    
a  process to  gather  preliminary information  in order  to                                                                    
make a  decision. The commission changed  the process before                                                                    
the audit and  instituted a new docket called  an "I docket"                                                                    
or "information  docket." The  information dockets  were now                                                                    
regularly  employed for  preliminary  scoping and  decisions                                                                    
and subsequently  preceded to a  regulations docket  for the                                                                    
adoption  of regulations.  He  concluded  that he  disagreed                                                                    
there was a need for legislative action.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
NORMAN  ROKEBERG,  COMMISSIONER,  REGULATORY  COMMISSION  OF                                                                    
ALASKA, echoed the  testimony of the Chairman  Patch and the                                                                    
sponsor.   He believed  that the operational  progress under                                                                    
the  leadership of  the  chairman  earned the  legislature's                                                                    
confidence in  the ability  of the  commission to  carry out                                                                    
its work. He  offered that the commission was  able to carry                                                                    
out  its statutory  mandates  and the  policy  calls of  the                                                                    
legislature.   He  urged   for   adoption   of  the   audits                                                                    
recommendation to grant the 8 year extension.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze asserted that he  did not always agree with                                                                    
every decision the  RCA made but had much  confidence in the                                                                    
commission's competence and decision making process.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Neuman  noted the  mission  of  the RCA  was  to                                                                    
oversee   regulation  of   public  utilities   and  pipeline                                                                    
carriers.  He questioned  whether  the commission  addressed                                                                    
issues of pipeline access by smaller utility companies.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Patch replied  that access to pipelines  was carried out                                                                    
in  a non-discriminatory  manner. He  assured the  committee                                                                    
that  there   was  no  difficulty  in   terms  of  accessing                                                                    
pipelines. He  shared that the commission  was considering a                                                                    
matter  regarding   the  consolidation  of   the  ownership,                                                                    
management, and  rate structure of Cook  Inlet pipelines. He                                                                    
did  not  know  of  any difficulty  with  small  exploratory                                                                    
companies accessing  pipelines for  the use  of transporting                                                                    
its product.  He thought that  the question asked  was about                                                                    
small  producer's access  to  markets,  which was  different                                                                    
than  pipeline  access.  He shared  that  the  RCA  received                                                                    
comments  from  small  producers  regarding  the  access  to                                                                    
markets.  In   addition,  the  commission   was  considering                                                                    
another open  docket in a  preliminary stage, with  the same                                                                    
companies  that  expressed   dissatisfaction  with  lack  of                                                                    
market  access. He  suggested that  the legislators  examine                                                                    
"texts", pronouncements  by commissioners  on their  view of                                                                    
market access in  RCA rulings. He offered to  provide a link                                                                    
for the  open docket  case to  examine public  materials. He                                                                    
was unable to comment further on the open docket cases.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:20:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Neuman asked  about  the  relationship with  the                                                                    
Division of Oil  and Gas and small companies  in Cook Inlet.                                                                    
He had  heard of unfair  treatment and wondered  whether the                                                                    
commission was familiar with the issue.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Patch  clarified  that he  was  unaware  of  complaints                                                                    
against the RCA or the Division of Oil and Gas.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Rokeberg followed  up on  the question  related to  gas                                                                    
supply contracts  in Cook Inlet.  He expounded that  the RCA                                                                    
role  was to  approve or  disapprove of  the contracts.  The                                                                    
commission was  prohibited to comment  on issues  related to                                                                    
an active docket. He offered  to provide members with copies                                                                    
of his  concurrence on issues  related to tariff  filings on                                                                    
sales of  gas by  Hilcorp to  Enstar, and  Chugach Electric,                                                                    
and  a  recent  docket  filing  related  to  the  issues  of                                                                    
independent exploration,  development, and  sales of  gas in                                                                    
Cook Inlet.  The concurrence included  a 20 year  history of                                                                    
the  legislature's  involvement  to incent  Cook  Inlet  gas                                                                    
development.  He  noted  the concurrence  included  multiple                                                                    
comments regarding  open access  to the gasline  between one                                                                    
carrier  and   another.  He  informed  the   committee  that                                                                    
Chairman  Patch  alluded to  the  outstanding  docket on  an                                                                    
Enstar  tariff filing  that  concerned smaller  independents                                                                    
access. He  expressed concern over  the lack  of opportunity                                                                    
for small  gas producers to  sell into the market  place. He                                                                    
expressed additional concern about  a "floor" for gas prices                                                                    
to  rate payers  in Cook  Inlet that  was part  of a  recent                                                                    
contract between a number of utilities and Hilcorp.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara   wondered  whether   the  commission's                                                                    
shorter time  period for final  rulings harmed  the interest                                                                    
of the consumer.                                                                                                                
Mr. Patch responded that the  primary mandate of the RCA was                                                                    
rate   regulation.   The  commission   considered   consumer                                                                    
interests  when  determining  rates.  He  explained  that  a                                                                    
primary consumer  interest was low  rates and the  other was                                                                    
dependable,  quality utility  delivery.  He understood  that                                                                    
most people  would prefer lower  utility bills. He  sought a                                                                    
balance between  "a just and  reasonable rate."  He measured                                                                    
the needs of  the utility company and the  needs and quality                                                                    
of service for  the consumer. He thought that the  RCA did a                                                                    
good job with rate regulation.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara thanked the  RCA commissioners for their                                                                    
hard work.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:30:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Patch  returned the compliment  and thanked  the members                                                                    
for their hard work.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze asked  about  oversight  of water  utility                                                                    
regulation. He remarked that  often mayors of municipalities                                                                    
tried  to  force  individual's  participation  in  municipal                                                                    
water systems.  He viewed  the RCA as  a force  for consumer                                                                    
protection    to   avoid    "being    force   fed    utility                                                                    
participation." He asked for the  commissioner's view on the                                                                    
issue as a former legislator.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:32:14 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:32:22 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Rokeberg  replied that  his former  district as  well as                                                                    
Representative  Costello's  had  3,000  to  5,000  residents                                                                    
served by water  wells or small water systems  that were not                                                                    
part  of the  municipal  utility. The  situation was  common                                                                    
throughout the state. He related  the difficulty for the RCA                                                                    
to assist small  utilities. He felt that  further policy was                                                                    
needed  related to  rate  regulation  of smaller  utilities.                                                                    
Rate  regulation by  the  RCA was  burdensome  and could  be                                                                    
expensive  for   a  small  group.  He   suggested  that  the                                                                    
legislature may  want to address  the issue and to  give the                                                                    
commission the ability to create  a tier system. He detailed                                                                    
that many  small water utilities  wanted to qualify  for the                                                                    
federal  Safe Drinking  Water  Act  funding, which  mandated                                                                    
regulation  by  the commission  to  qualify.  The desire  to                                                                    
provide  safe   drinking  water   drove  the   utility  into                                                                    
regulation  that  they may  not  want  or could  afford.  He                                                                    
thought that many of the  legislators were familiar with the                                                                    
situation.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze asked whether  the commission could address                                                                    
the  issue  within  the commission  structure  and  was  not                                                                    
seeking an "outside solution."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Patch answered  that the  commission  had adopted  some                                                                    
measures  to  address  smaller  water  utilities  water  and                                                                    
wastewater   concerns.  The   RCA   offered  a   provisional                                                                    
certification  that was  available  for  rural areas.  There                                                                    
were  certain  things  the  commission  could  do,  but  the                                                                    
commission  lacked the  statutory authority  to "revise  the                                                                    
state drinking  water act or  to federal funding."  He vowed                                                                    
to  discuss the  issue  with members  of  the rural  utility                                                                    
service  Division   of  the  United  States   Department  of                                                                    
Agriculture and DEC.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze  reiterated his belief that  the RCA played                                                                    
a   major   role   in  the   consumer   protection   against                                                                    
consolidation of municipal water utilities.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Guttenberg asked how the  RCA came to the IGU                                                                    
[Interior Gas Utility] ruling.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Patch suggested  that the  discussion take  place at  a                                                                    
later time in a different  forum after both parties read the                                                                    
RCA's final order.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Neuman discussed  that Talkeetna received federal                                                                    
funds  for   safe  water  and  sewer,   but  struggled  with                                                                    
continued  financing for  the water  and  sewer utility.  He                                                                    
wondered  what  role  the  commission  played  in  assisting                                                                    
communities with similar issues.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Patch restated  that consumer protection was  one of the                                                                    
commission's major  concern. He was not  prepared to address                                                                    
the issue at present but would respond by letter shortly.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:43:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze OPENED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Costello  discussed  the  fiscal  note,  FN1                                                                    
(CED)  for  the  extension  of  the agency.  In  FY  15  the                                                                    
expenditure was $9.430.8 million  for 58 full time positions                                                                    
and  4 temporary  positions. In  FY 16  the expenditure  was                                                                    
$9294.5 million for  58 full time positions  and 3 temporary                                                                    
positions. The fiscal impact repeated  itself for the fiscal                                                                    
years through 2020.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
In response to a question  by Representative Gara, Mr. Patch                                                                    
indicated  that the  RCA  was funded  by  a regulatory  cost                                                                    
charge, and  not by  the general fund.  He explained  that a                                                                    
small  component  charge  was  added to  each  utility  bill                                                                    
collected by  the utilities and forwarded  to the Department                                                                    
of Revenue  for the commission's expenditures.  In addition,                                                                    
the commission  may charge uncertificated utilities  for the                                                                    
commission's actual time. He stated  that the charge was not                                                                    
placed on the rate payers.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Costello noted  that  the  commission had  a                                                                    
surplus.  She  questioned  whether the  surplus  funds  were                                                                    
expended by the RCA.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Patch   replied  that  the   surplus  was   rebated  to                                                                    
ratepayers  as   part  of  the   RCC  calculation   for  the                                                                    
subsequent year.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:50:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Neuman  MOVED to REPORT  HB 234 out  of committee                                                                    
with individual recommendations  and the accompanying fiscal                                                                    
note. There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
HB  234 was  REPORTED  out  of committee  with  a "do  pass"                                                                    
recommendation  and  with  one previously  published  fiscal                                                                    
impact note: FN1 (CED).                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:51:52 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:53:38 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 298 Sponsor Statement.doc HFIN 2/26/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 298
HB 298 Original Legislation HB 30.pdf HFIN 2/26/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 30
HB 298
HB 234 RCA Sunset Audit 2013.pdf HFIN 2/26/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 234
HB 234 RCA-Summary of Efforts 01-2014.pdf HFIN 2/26/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 234
HB 234 Sponsor Statement.pdf HFIN 2/26/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 234
HB234 Supporting Documents-Letter AML 2-3-2014.pdf HFIN 2/26/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 234
CSHB 268 Big Bull Moose Derbies and Ice Classics.pdf HFIN 2/26/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 268
CSHB 268 Sectional Analysis.docx HFIN 2/26/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 268
CSHB 268 Sectional Analysis.pdf HFIN 2/26/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 268
HB 268 Big Bull Moose Derbies Original Bill.pdf HFIN 2/26/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 268
HB 268 Big Bull Moose Sponsor Statement.docx HFIN 2/26/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 268
HB 268 Big Bull Moose Sponsor Statement.pdf HFIN 2/26/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 268
HB 268 TVSA club house picture.pdf HFIN 2/26/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 268
HB 268 Letters of Support.pdf HFIN 2/26/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 268
HB 268 Nanooks news article 1.pdf HFIN 2/26/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 268
HB 268 Nanooks news article 2.pdf HFIN 2/26/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 268
HB 268 Nanooks picture 1.pdf HFIN 2/26/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 268
HB 268 Nanooks picture 2.pdf HFIN 2/26/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 268
HB 298 -NEW-FN LegAudit-2-21-14.pdf HFIN 2/26/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 298
HB 268 CS WORKDRAFT FIN P-version.pdf HFIN 2/26/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 268